Zapping Pathogens Could Be a Breakthrough For Making Raw Milk Safe | Episode 127
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Matt Regusci: What will be interesting to see is if the raw milk community believes in this technology. And also be interesting to see if the state departments that allow raw milk to be legalized within their states, then adopt the technology within their regulation saying, okay, yes, you can sell raw milk, but it has to be clean, clear of pathogens and you have to have regular testing of pathogens.
And so then the industry will scramble to figure out how to make that happen. And then this technology could be there.
intro: Everybody's got to eat and nobody likes getting sick. That's why heroes toil in the shadows, keeping your food safe at all points from the supply chain to the point of sale. Join industry veterans, Francine L. Shaw and Matt Ragushi for a deep dive into food safety. It all boils down to one golden rule.
Don't eat [00:01:00] poop. Don't eat poop.
Matt Regusci: Hello, hello, Francine. We were just talking about, I got this summer cold. I've had allergies this summer, which I usually don't have allergies. And then on Tuesday I was getting progressively worse. I could like feel myself getting sicker and sicker and sicker. I was like, Oh, I don't think this is allergies.
So I take my temperature. I'm like 101. 2.
So, obviously not allergies and I feel myself like a man cold dying and my wife who is a nurse and she's an amazing nurse absolutely amazing NICU nurse. And we have medically fragile children that she takes care of all the time at the house and she has such amazing empathy for these little children that we have.
Francine, I feel like, you know, where I'm going with this probably because you treat poor Tim the same way. Don't you?
Francine L Shaw: She's not feeling it for your man cold. [00:02:00]
Matt Regusci: I'm like, woman, I'm dying. Can you please help me? You're not dying. You're overreacting. You're not dying. No, I feel like I'm dying. You're not dying.
This is literally what... So when I'm home, I do the majority of cooking for dinner or whatever. I like it. It's relaxing and da da da. For me, it's a good way, like after my day to cook dinner. Of course I still have to work when I'm sick, right? So I'm working all day as I'm dying.
Francine L Shaw: We all do.
Matt Regusci: Not everybody. It's not everybody. I run a business where people are called out sick when they're sick. So yeah, no empathy. I'm like, okay, I need to go to bed. And so I go to bed at like eight o'clock and she's like, what are you doing in bed? There's things you need to do. And I'm like, well, it's not like I'm slacking here. I'm sick.
Francine L Shaw: I have a cold. I should go to bed.
Matt Regusci: I have a fever. Can you bring me something from this? [00:03:00] And she's like, no, it's the summertime. We don't have cold and flu meds. I'm like, can you please go to the store and get me some?
Francine L Shaw: I have to say something. If I'm sick, my husband is amazing. He truly, he really, really is amazing.
What happens when he's sick? He's probably much better when I'm sick than I am when he's sick.
Let's describe sick. It depends on the level of sickness. I mean, this is the thing. I don't get sick that often. And if I'm sick, I'm talking really, really sick. If you're sick, and you're just gonna complain about being sick, and you won't take Tylenol to feel better, or you won't take cold medicine to feel better, and you just want and want and want to complain about being sick, I don't want to hear it.
Matt Regusci: Man, when I get sick, I take the whole fricking pharmacy. I like, Honey, can you take Mucinex and Tylenol day cold and flu simultaneously? And she's like, I don't care. The question [00:04:00] is you're a nurse, hon. If I take this, am I going to die? No, probably not. You're good.
Francine L Shaw: You gotta help me help you. You know what I mean?
You've got to want to help yourself here.
Matt Regusci: Yeah, but okay. So let's put this in context too. So I like flew into this conference, okay? And Francine is like, I'll be there in a bit. I'm like, okay, do you want to take an Uber with me? Or are you going to get like, when are you going to be flying in? And then she's like, ah, flying in later tonight, dah, dah, dah, dah.
And then she's like, yeah, I have walking pneumonia. And I'm like, what Francine, you have walking pneumonia and you're coming to this conference and you're like, yeah, I have to, because we have things we got to do. I
Francine L Shaw: thought I had a cold. I didn't realize I had walking pneumonia until I got home.
Matt Regusci: Oh, that's right.
First she thought she had allergies. Then she thought she had a cold and then she realized she had walking pneumonia. Yeah.
Francine L Shaw: I had an allergy. Allergies. And then I Thought it was a cold and then it was like, holy [00:05:00] crap, I've got walking pneumonia. Yeah. My family always makes fun of me because I'm always like, it's just allergies. Just allergies.
Matt Regusci: So my counterpart, so I run a company called Ellipse Analytics and we're the analytical testing arm and certification body for Clean Label Project. So, my counterpart at Clean Label Project is very much like you and my wife. And she's like asking for all these things. She and I talk multiple times a day.
So I send her a text message and I'm like, you've heard me on the phone. I'm dying. Can this wait till you're not dying, Matt? Shut up. Can you please get this stuff for me? And
I'm like, my God, I surround myself. My wife is like, yeah, you surround yourself with women that are, that are just, just like me. And I was like, I don't even want to tell Francine I'm sick cause I know I'm not going to get any empathy from her.
Francine L Shaw: Like, I still need this stuff from you. When am I gonna get it? Have you called Bill yet? Did you, did you set this up yet? [00:06:00]
Matt Regusci: Again, I love how it's like, did you call Bill yet? Yes, yes, I did. I called Bill Marler.
Francine L Shaw: I'm still waiting for him.
Matt Regusci: And Roger Hancock at the last minute for the last episode.
Yes, yes, okay, I'm on it, I'm on it.
Francine L Shaw: You need to stop surrounding yourself with all of these aggressive women.
Matt Regusci: That's how you get things done in this world. I learned that very, very, very early on is, well, first off I'm Italian. So I grew up with aggressive women. That's how I got my homework done.
Francine L Shaw: It's accomplished. This is what we need to do. Get it done. Stop complaining. This is the end goal. Damn it. You're not dying. No time to be sick.
Matt Regusci: All right. Well, speaking of sickness, Francine and I have done multiple, multiple episodes on this new trend.
I don't know if it's a new trend. Maybe [00:07:00] old is the new new, I guess, uh, raw milk, right?
So we stopped doing episodes on raw milk because it's... Listen, if you drink raw milk, you're rolling the die to potentially die. It just is. Coming from the dairy industry, it is so difficult to not have pathogens in milk because the cows lay down on their udders and they're lying down in poop. It's just where milk comes from is from the udders, which is underneath the cow, which is right next to their poop chute and their urine chute.
Even if they're not lying in it, it's just coming right down. You look at a cow. Look, even if it's out in the middle of acreage and it's like the beautiful, most happy cow, like we'll use the California slogan of California happy cows for milk, okay? Even if they're in a pasture and they're not lying in their poop, their poop chute is right next to their udders.
And so you're gonna get E. coli and salmonella and all [00:08:00] types of bacteria because where do pathogens come from? It's the name of our podcast, Don't Eat Poop. You probably shouldn't drink it either. And that's where milk comes from, is the udders right next to their poop and urine chute. So it just is, it just is.
Francine L Shaw: This makes me want to rush home and just have a glass of milk.
Matt Regusci: Well, I mean, if you're getting it from the store.
Well, theoretically, depending upon what store you're getting it from, it's going to be pasteurized milk. And so that's the reason why we pasteurize milk is to get rid of those pathogens. But you also, listen, do I agree that there are benefits of drinking raw milk?
Yes, there are a lot of probiotics and all that stuff in raw milk. So they're not wrong about that. It's just, with that, you're also getting pathogens. It just is. It just is. And you're never going to convince Francine, myself, or the majority of the people listening to this that are food scientists, that that is not the case. It just is.
But, [00:09:00] there is a potential breakthrough, Francine. And that's what we're going to talk to you about. The name of our podcast is directly from the name of the article from Food Safety News, and that is Zapping Pathogens Could Be a Breakthrough for Raw Milk.
Francine L Shaw: ~And before you start, I just noticed that the writer for this article is ~
Matt Regusci: ~Is Coral Beach.~
Francine L Shaw: ~Oh, okay. I digress. ~
Matt Regusci: ~It's Coral Beach. But it is fascinating because in the FDA, you have somebody named like Well, previously, like Jim Jones, right, which also kind of, it was an unfortunate name. James Jones would probably be better. But yeah, this is Food Safety News. So yeah, it's Cookson Beecher and it's Coral Beach.~
~One of the other authors there at Food Safety News and Coral Beach has been there, I think like a hundred years. I think I was reading her articles right when Food Safety News came out. ~
Francine L Shaw: ~A long time. ~
Matt Regusci: ~Yeah.~
Francine L Shaw: ~I think that's a new name though. Anyway.~
Matt Regusci: ~I think so too. You did digress but it was a good digression. ~
Francine L Shaw: ~Back to zapping those pathogens right out of the way.~
Matt Regusci: ~Yes, maybe we should talk about the article here Francine.~
~Okay,~ so Can you? Zap pathogens without killing all other products and without full pasteurization. I guess so, potentially. So, again, coming from Food Safety News, which, if you have not read their articles about raw milk, Or read Marler's blog, who, you know, is the main guy running Food Safety News. Let's just say they're less than enthusiastic about raw milk.
Would that be an understatement, Francine?
Francine L Shaw: That, yes, that would be an understatement.
Matt Regusci: We could phrase this too. I think Bill Marler even said this on our episode. Raw milk is good for his business, but his business is suing [00:10:00] the industry. So I don't think it's good for consumers, but yeah, less than enthusiastic.
So the opening line in this article is the latest news coming out about Raw milk is cool. Wow. I was automatically interested in this because I've never heard any article on Food Safety News or Marler Blog putting raw milk and cool in the same sentence. I mean, we're not talking about temperature here, we're talking about like 1980s, 90s, early 2000s phrase of something being cool is being good.
And then they added, as in temperature cool. This is thanks to technology that is eliminating pathogens that can be in raw milk while preserving the enzymes, protein, and immunity supporting compounds, which advocates say are often destroyed by traditional heat based pasteurization. So that automatically caught my eye.
I was intrigued instantly.
Francine L Shaw: What I'm looking at [00:11:00] is I think this guy that's in this article actually sent me a message on LinkedIn about this technology. I'm almost positive he did. That's what I'm sorry. That's what I was looking for.
Matt Regusci: Okay. We have to tell our listeners right off the bat too. If you're messaging us on LinkedIn, that is one of the best places to message us, but message us over and over again because Francine and I get so many messages on LinkedIn and a lot of it is people like hawking stuff.
And if you really have a cool technology that you would like to share. Now I'm curious if like, I've actually received something from him too. Because sometimes they'll send us both something.
Francine L Shaw: I thought this was early on though. Yeah, the stuff people send us is, we get so much stuff. It's hard to weed through it.
Matt Regusci: Yes, I'm not advocating spamming us.
Francine L Shaw: Not at all.
Matt Regusci: But if it's something that's really interesting for food safety, that is something breakthrough.
Francine L Shaw: Yeah, we [00:12:00] are interested. Spam is not cool. We're always looking for something for the podcast
Matt Regusci: Yeah, okay. Well, he is not connected with me on LinkedIn. I'm connected in seconds with him, so he might have messaged you and not me.
Anyways, so, this is actually, has been approved by the FDA for some stuff. So the public health officials say that there is no evidence that pasteurization reduces the healthy compounds of raw milk, that its benefits far outweigh any perceived problems. I don't know if that's true. I mean, sure, public health officials, their number one job is to make sure people don't die and get sick.
So yeah, pasteurization is going to get rid of some of the stuff. It just is. It's going to. But it's also going to keep you from dying. But this is interesting. This latest news is based on an advanced non thermal UV light technology by TruActive developed by Tamarack Biotics [00:13:00] led by a food scientist, Bob Comstock based in Fresno, California.
And what's interesting about Fresno, California is... if you don't know where the, like a lot of our milk comes from, a lot of our milk comes from California, like Fresno, Hanford, Tulare. I almost ended up following my grandfather's footsteps. God rest his soul. And in dairy and my wife was like, there is no way in hell I am moving there and having you come home smelling the way you do every single time you work with your grandfather.
Like, have you ever been to an industrial dairy? It is amazing. First off, I love it. I love it. Working with my grandfather for numerous years in the dairy industry was probably some of the most fun I've ever had in my life. Except summers in Tulare, Hanford, Fresno, Modesto area sucks. It really is like 110 degrees and [00:14:00] you're surrounded by methane.
It's not, it's not fun. But the industry itself is, is a lot of fun. So it makes sense that this guy is in Hanford and their company, I mean, isn't, isn't Fresno because that is one of the largest cities, if not the largest city in the San Joaquin Valley, where a lot of milk, dried milk, protein powder, all that stuff comes from.
So, but the company just received FDA acceptance for its light based treatment process, and then simply put, the process eliminates the need to pasteurize milk to achieve what many raw milk advocates want, no pathogens but all the goodness that raw milk offers. It also kills avian flu, a problem that recently vexed raw milk producers. So, this technology could save lots and lots and lots of lives, and keep people from getting sick.
But, and here's the big but, while the FDA's [00:15:00] determination confirms that Tamarack Biotics method meets official criteria for pasteurization, at this point the thumbs up from the agency only allows it to be initially used in the production of powdered dairy ingredients such as whey protein concentrate, milk protein concentrate and immune supporting compounds like lactoferrin. So Tamarack also started expanding TruActive to other dairy products such as cheese, yogurt, kefir, and colostrum, which would be awesome. Those of you that know colostrum is the milk that is produced before milk is produced. So colostrum is like a really thick, heavy, probiotic immune boosting product that moms instantly provide before going into milk, and it's a way of helping babies get all the stuff that's needed for their gut before they start drinking milk or whatever, or [00:16:00] mom's milk or whatever. It's a really powerful, powerful tool that God created to boost immunity in babies.
Looking ahead, the company said these steps could pave the way for acceptance of TruActive treatment of liquid raw milk as early as 2027. In other words, it could be a possible alternative to pasteurize liquid raw milk.
It is safer than heat based pasteurization, Comstock said. We kill more pathogens. It's better than heat. I don't know. I mean, if, I mean, that's great marketing. It would be interesting to see the technology and see if that's actually true. Pasteurization is pretty darn good.
Yeah. What are your thoughts, Francine?
Francine L Shaw: Well, I mean, if it works, like they say it does. It would be amazing.
Matt Regusci: Yes. Yes.
Francine L Shaw: This outbreak that it's talking about in this article in Pennsylvania, I don't know if you saw that or not. Buyers Organic Dairy, Pennsylvania brand, raw milk [00:17:00] that happened very close to me where that milk was recalled.
Matt Regusci: Oh yeah.
Francine L Shaw: Just 30 minutes from where I live. ~They were, that's ~
~great. ~
Matt Regusci: ~Francine is two hours away from any place. Like when we were trying to find a bank account, I was like, what banks are around you? And she's like, I have a local bank. And I have Bank of America two hours away, or I have other international national banks, two hours for me.~
~So for this outbreak to be 30 minutes from you makes sense because what's around you cows. ~
Francine L Shaw: ~Yeah. They're community banks.~ I was just in that area yesterday. I went to get my nails done 30 minutes away. Yeah, which is close. So that outbreak happened, I would say where I live, even though it's 30 minutes away.
So, yeah, I mean, if it works, I think it's great.
Now they've been these light treatments, these UV light treatments, they've been advertising in kitchens, in kitchens for equipment and things like that for years. I've always been a bit skeptical when they market them for equipment and things like that, because it's only gonna sanitize where the light, like, can reach.
So, like, if there's a nook or a cranny, or it's around the corner, and it doesn't hit that spot, then it's gonna miss it. That wouldn't be the case with this. I mean, it's kind of exciting. [00:18:00]
Matt Regusci: Now, with that said, That is true.
But then the UV, well, we have to have this guy on.
I need to understand a little bit more of it about his technology because theoretically, I mean, what you're saying is absolutely correct. And so how is the UV treatment? Is this like very thin layer of milk that would go across this thing that then the UV is hitting it? Because if it's not on the surface, how are they getting UV down below?
You couldn't take, for instance, a huge vat of milk and then just, at the top, hit this with UV and it killed pathogens at the bottom, is what I'm saying. Like, I would love to know the process for this and how they plan to use this for raw milk. And that may be why the FDA hasn't approved it yet. There's probably a process that has to be created for this, some sort of machine that's doing that.
Because powdered milk makes sense. It's already on [00:19:00] when you're creating powdered milk or whatever. It's already going through a process with different lines and all the dehydration and getting the liquid out. And so, you attach it to a belt.
Francine L Shaw: It's not approved for liquid, so that would be why it's not approved for liquid.
Matt Regusci: Possibly, but we're making assumptions.
I would love to know this, guy's. Yeah.
Francine L Shaw: Well, let's reach out to him.
Matt Regusci: Yeah. You know what? We can send him the podcast and be like, Hey, obviously we're, we're in a macro view of this process. We need the micro view.
We'd love to talk to you. And we don't mind going micro view. We just had, uh, Roger Hancock on, uh, on our previous episode, going into deep detail into recalls and the FDA. So.
Francine L Shaw: Unfortunately, we don't have this gentleman on speed dial right now.
Matt Regusci: I know, man, ~that could change, who knows? But oh my gosh, if this could be used for raw milk. You could for a lot of people, just not Ann. ~
The hardest part of new technology is adoption, right? You could have the best technology in the world, and if nobody [00:20:00] adopts that technology, who cares, right?
So what will be interesting to see is if the raw milk community believes in this technology, one, and also be interesting to see if the state departments that allow raw milk to be legalized within their states, then adopt the technology within their regulation saying, okay, yes, you can have raw milk. It doesn't have to be pasteurized, which is what raw milk is, unpasteurized milk.
But you need to have some sort of technology like this or all they have to do is come out and say, yes, you can sell raw milk, but it has to be clean, clear of pathogens and you have to have regular testing of pathogens. And so then they, the industry will scramble to figure out how to make that happen.
And then this technology could be there to do it.
Francine L Shaw: If you take out the pathogens, is it raw milk?
Matt Regusci: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Will the community believe that it's still raw milk? That's the million dollar question. For this guy, a multi [00:21:00] million dollar question actually. Potentially a billion dollar question and I don't know.
I really don't know because people who consume raw milk are doing it because of the perceived health benefits, and will they believe that using UV to kill pathogens alters everything else? And then does that then kill the raw milk industry when, ah, so many questions. So many questions.
I have friends that 100 percent believe in raw milk and drink raw milk, and they don't want me to talk about raw milk. Like, it's like.
Francine L Shaw: I have friends that tell me to talk about a lot of things.
Matt Regusci: I know, I know. We talk about it all the time, Francine. You and I have a unique relationship. Because we can talk about politics, and you and I don't always agree.
And we still are friends. [00:22:00] This is right up there with that. Like this is right up there with talking about religion, politics. Raw milk is, is right up there with that. People who believe in raw milk do not want to hear about anything other than the great, amazing benefits of raw milk. Like it's right up there with antibiotics or with vaccines. Oh my gosh. Vaccine conversa... It is fascinating how many conversations we're not allowed to have anymore with people who don't agree.
Francine L Shaw: We should be able to speak and agree to disagree.
Matt Regusci: 100%! 100%!
Francine L Shaw: I mean, you can have articulate, educated conversations and agree to disagree.
Matt Regusci: I think that's the problem, Francine.
Everything's boiled down to 140 characters now. How do you have an articulate conversation with 140 characters? Propaganda is a heck of a lot easier.
Francine L Shaw: Characters is articulate.
Matt Regusci: You just used up half your characters in that one word. [00:23:00]
Francine L Shaw: Our sarcasm's too much.
Matt Regusci: Well played, Francine. Well played. Oh my gosh.
~You know, what is interesting is our last episode with Roger Hancock about the FDA. Each one of those bullet points of their short term and long term goals wouldn't even fit in 140 characters.~
Francine L Shaw: ~That's why Twitter or X or whatever we call it these days. ~
Matt Regusci: ~Yeah, X. You know what's interesting is, okay, so the Twitter changed to X, right? But when people talk about tweeting, they don't talk about X ing. ~
~And now they still tweet, don't they? They still tweet! They don't X! I mean, if you start talking about, like, how ~
~I just X ed someone, or I'm X ing someone, or I'm X ing something, someone's gonna think you're talking about porn!~
Francine L Shaw: ~I'm gonna tweet ~
~Elon ~
~about that. ~
~I'm gonna X Elon about that. ~
Matt Regusci: ~Should we call this X ing? Should we call this ~
Francine L Shaw: ~Elon, should we call this communication X ing? Tweet me. ~
Matt Regusci: ~Okay. ~
Francine L Shaw: ~Could you contact Mr. Trump about that? Oh, President Trump, I'm sorry. ~
Matt Regusci: ~Oh, no, no, no. They're not on talking terms, I don't think, right now. ~
Francine L Shaw: ~Oh, on the outs ~
Matt Regusci: ~I don't know. I don't know. I do think it's interesting that a man from South Africa, by the way, an amazing, the guy is absolutely genius. The products and services that this man has created is absolutely crazy. But I love, I love. That a man born in South Africa has created the American party. And the guy who registered the American party was born in India.~
~If that's not America, I don't know what is. I'm just not saying a word now. God bless America. I love it. Well, you know what I tell my kids this all the time. What I think is one of my greatest achievements now beyond My marrying an amazing woman that we've been married for a very, very, very, very, very, very long time, an obscene long time.~
Francine L Shaw: ~Stop long right now. Tracy listens to this. ~
Matt Regusci: ~This holds our episode. We're talking about how little empathy she has for me. ~
Francine L Shaw: ~Now you're talking about how long you've been married. Tracy, I'm here for you. ~
Matt Regusci: ~Like every anniversary, like it's been, we're married now, 23 long, hard years. And then, uh, 11 forever children are stuffed with, are ongoing helping the world with foster care.~
~Below that is I have helped numerous people become American citizens and they are amazing, amazing, productive citizens. Fact, one of them. What's your former business partner and my former business partner. A lot of these people come to America and are extremely productive and create amazing things. And you know, buy companies like Twitter changes to X, but we still tweet.~
~We don't X. Okay. We're probably going to lose viewers after this show. ~
Francine L Shaw: ~Yeah, I'm just not talking. ~
Matt Regusci: ~Well, I don't think this is helping us get Bob Comstock, Bob Comstock onto this show to talk about this, ~But okay.
Can we agree if this technology can be used for liquid raw milk and it is adopted by consumers that consume raw milk, this will save lives?
Francine L Shaw: Yes.
Matt Regusci: I am intrigued.
Francine L Shaw: I will see if I can reach out to this gentleman and see what we can do.
Matt Regusci: Yeah, I just connected with him on LinkedIn. Are you connected with him on LinkedIn?
Francine L Shaw: I don't... what's his name again?
Matt Regusci: It's Bob Comstock, CEO, Fresno, California. Hi, Bob. Welcome invitation to come onto the show to talk about this because this is fascinating.
~Bill Marler talks about having the industry put him out of business. This literally could alleviate. ~
Francine L Shaw: ~Who is out of business? ~
Matt Regusci: ~Bill Marler. ~Bill Marler talks about how he wants to be put out of business and this could alleviate a lot of his clients who have gotten sick or died from, uh, raw milk. [00:24:00] You know what this also will help with too?
Is there's bacteria, with what this is registered for, protein powder and the different products like that. If this could be used for dry, infant formula.
Francine L Shaw: Oh my, that would be a neat... That'd be a great question for this gentleman.
Matt Regusci: Yes, because it's used right now. The FDA allows it to be used for powdered dairy ingredients, such as whey protein, concentrate, milk, protein, concentrate, and immune supporting compounds like lactoferrin.
I mean, that's so much of the infant formula is protein. That would be awesome. Get rid of salmonella, chronobacter, that type of stuff that gets baby sick.
Francine L Shaw: Yeah, that what was that one? I think it was a type of salmonella that killed all those babies.
Matt Regusci: Yep.
Francine L Shaw: That would be amazing. I just sent him a message.
Matt Regusci: Awesome.
Francine L Shaw: We'll see how he responds. He might look at the name of the podcast and just say no right away. I [00:25:00] hope he looks into it more than that.
Matt Regusci: I don't know. I mean, you know, like who doesn't know there's poop in raw milk? There's poop in pasteurized milk. The difference is it's pasteurized, so it's got rid of the pathogens.
Francine L Shaw: I mean, that draws some people in.
Matt Regusci: What, the don't eat poop?
Francine L Shaw: Poop draws people in.
Matt Regusci: Ah, it's memorable. Okay, so we'll finish off with this. In this article, there says, A home run? Mark McCaffrey, whose dairy company, Raw Farm, based in Fresno, California, is the nation's largest producer of organic raw milk at 70, 000 gallons a week, said he supports Comstock all the way. But he said his company Advanced UV Light Therapy has not yet been approved for liquid whole milk. Yep. If he succeeds, quote, if he succeeds, it will be a massive home run for the industry, he said. So Raw Farms [00:26:00] has had numerous recalls in the recent years and has also been linked to outbreaks.
And last December, it had to recall all of its raw milk and cream products after test turned up positive for blue for bird flu contamination. Other raw milk dairies across the nation have also run into problems. Just this month, consumers who purchased Bayer Organic Dairy in Pennsylvania, which is exactly what you're talking about earlier.
Brand raw milk purchased July 8th through July 10th with sell by dates of July 22nd and July 23rd were told to discard it after routine milk samples were tested and confirmed the contamination with E. coli. So obviously the, the large raw milk producers would of course see this as a home run. Hopefully their consumers do as well.
Francine L Shaw: Rid of that organic poop.
Matt Regusci: Yep. Let's do it.
All right, Bob. Let's have you [00:27:00] on. Let's do it.
Well, no, our audience will know after a year goes by and there's no Bob interview. I got, I was like, no way. I'm like
Francine L Shaw: Bob said No, those people will see to be determined. Don't eat poop guys. Don't eat poop. If you do...
Let's do this. Let's throw this out there for this isn't about poop. I'm sorry. My ADHD just took a while. 180 of our viewers would like to have merch. Oh yeah.
Matt Regusci: Francine wants to have merch. Francine wants to sell like shirts and stickers and mouse pads and stuff.
Francine L Shaw: A mug.
Matt Regusci: A mug.
Francine L Shaw: Would they like merch? How could they let us know?
How could they let us know?
Matt Regusci: Francine's like, we need a website so we can put merch on there.
Francine L Shaw: They could let us say something on LinkedIn, they could.
Matt Regusci: [00:28:00] They could comment on the bottom of the episode they're listening to.
Francine L Shaw: On the bottom of this episode when we post it, they could say, yay merch, maybe the producers can throw something in there.
Matt Regusci: I want a Don't Eat poop sticker.
Francine L Shaw: Yes, I don't know, you know, when they're going to be like, dear God, friends, you stop with your wild ideas. Would you have talked to us?
Matt Regusci: Uh, yes.
Francine L Shaw: They can send something like that. I think it's a great idea.
Matt Regusci: We're going to monetize this show one sticker at a time.
Francine L Shaw: So we can afford to do it.
Matt Regusci: Uh, breaking even would be awesome. God, yes.
All right, on that note, don't eat or drink poop. Or if you do, have it be pasteurized or UV treated or something so the damn pathogens aren't dead.
Francine L Shaw: Does that pasteurize your poop? Maybe chocolate like that.
Matt Regusci: UV your poop. We've got, we've lost control. [00:29:00] Years ago we lost control.
Okay, thank y'all, bye.
