Top 10 Food Safety Scandals | Episode 70
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Speaking of how you and I deal with stress, my wife is the same way. She buys, I don't know, 50 of these little tiny E. coli dolls, like little stuffed animal dolls. And I ran up and down the office and the laboratory chucking E. coli dolls at the staff. I was just throwing them at everybody! Completely changed the mood of the office.
It was, yeah, super, super stressful. And I just was chucking a coli stuffies at everybody.
Nobody's
got to eat and nobody likes getting sick. That's why heroes toil in the shadows, keeping your food safe at all points from the supply chain to the point of sale. Join industry veterans, Francine L. Shaw and Matt Ragusi for a deep dive into food safety. It all boils down to one golden rule, don't eat poop.
Don't eat poop.
Hello. Hello, Francine.
Hi, Mr. Matt. How are you today?
I think I'm doing better than you. I can assure you that you're doing better than me. It's a guarantee. So we won't discuss what we discussed on the air, but we usually schedule a lot of time and we've just spent a whole hour talking about everything other than the podcast.
And that is not appropriate for a podcast. I asked Francine where I'm going to send the bill for her counseling appointment. The cost of being my friend. Yeah, it's reciprocal. There'll be another time where it goes the other way. In fairness, we are on occasion each other's therapists, which is funny because we have somebody that listens to our podcast regularly suggest that we do a podcast to mental health in the food service industry, which I think is a fabulous idea.
That is a fabulous idea. And it's so funny because at the end of the hour long conversation with Francine, I go, okay, so what do we want to talk about on the podcast? And Francine says, Mental health. Don't know if today's the day. No, today's not the day. We need to talk about mental health when we actually don't need mental health.
When we don't need mental health. Or one of us doesn't need mental health. Uh, okay, so what do you have for us today? I think mental health is not a laughing matter. Even though I am laughing, we really need to alleviate the stigma that is around that. That is 100 percent true. Mental health is a real problem for everybody.
It just comes up, right? Some people have more than other people, but it is the case. In my family, biologically, we deal with manic, we deal with depression, and we deal with both. Manic, depression. So, a lot of conversations with my kiddos about mental health and the importance of it and Taking care of yourself and understanding the triggers because sometimes it could just be stress.
It could be not eating right. It could be a lot of things that trigger it. But laughter is amazing medicine and you and I are able to provide that for each other. And huge crises too. Massive crises. I will text Francine and then she will send me. Some crazy meme or something like that and i'm like, oh my gosh, this is why I called you first And the thing is our personalities deal with major issues So differently than most yes, some people don't understand Or wouldn't understand Yeah.
So anyway, as a country, we need to get rid of this. I know we're joking about this now, but I truly, now that we're having this conversation, we've never had this conversation so far in the 70 episodes, this is episode number 70. Crazy. And this is really a big topic because in food safety, we deal with a lot of crises.
And in fact, we're gonna be discussing, Francine has a list of the top 10 food safety, 10 of the worst food safety scandals in recent history. And on food safety and food compliance, and that could be moms dealing with, or, and dads dealing with their kids that have gotten like sick, or even like allergens that are out there.
There's a lot of anxiety and stress. around food safety in the business side of food safety and just in general. So this really could be an amazingly helpful topic is mental health and food safety. We really live in our careers in a perpetual crisis. Yes. That's what we deal with. Okay. So I'll have to tell the story again when we do mental health, but during one of the first major outbreaks of spinach, the one that a lot of people talk about as being one of the major changes in food safety.
The company I was with at the time, we had done the testing. We had done some audits for the company that was involved in that major spinach crisis. And a lot of our clients, well, while the whole outbreak was going, nobody really knew where the outbreak was from. So we were doing testing and audits for the whole lettuce industry.
And so it was really crazy. The FDA and the FBI came to our laboratory looking for testing results. It was insane, super stressful. Speaking of how you and I deal with stress. My wife is the same way. She buys, I don't know, 50 of these little tiny e. coli dolls, like little stuffed animal dolls. And I ran up and down the office and the laboratory chucking e.
coli dolls at the staff. I was just throwing them at everybody and it, Completely changed the mood of the office. It was, yeah, super, super stressful. And I just was chucking a coli stuffies at everybody. Well, you and I had some bizarre conversations where you'll call me and tell me something and I crack up and it's totally inappropriate.
Totally inappropriate. 100%. Totally inappropriate. Yeah. That's why I called you. And vice versa. I told you about One of the biggest crises of my life. It's happened three years ago, but my family will know it's three years ago, major crisis, end up having a couple of kids from it, major family change. And I had to call you because it was hugely impactful, very sad, very traumatic.
And I call Francine and I'm telling her the story and she just starts laughing. It was absolutely traumatic and horrible. And I knew if I call friends, that's how you and I deal with it though. Very different than most people. They would be thinking that was the worst thing ever for, but that's what I needed.
And it was just like, and you knew that I did not need. Oh, I knew exactly. Yes. I wouldn't have done a podcast with you a year and a half later if that was the case. And I felt bad, but that's just like the way. I react and you do the same thing. Oh my gosh. I was saying, oh my God, I'm so sorry. This could be, I'm really excited.
This is such a huge teaser that did not mean to be a teaser for another podcast that we're going to do. Probably the next book that we do, we need to do this one on mental health and this could be either the worst or the best podcast we've ever done.
Okay. Let's go into the topic. Okay. So 10 of the worst food safety scandals in recent history.
Okay. So I would love to say that I am shocked, but I'm not. 7 of the 10 in the United States. This is the top 10 food safety scandals across the world. Around the world. Can I name two that I think might be on that list outside of the United States? The British horse meat one. I thought that would be on here.
I thought that would talk about now. I'm very, obviously everybody knows I have not seen this list and we'll talk about this again, but can you imagine how traumatized you'd be to find out you were eating an animal that you thought was one thing and find out it's another, totally, which goes back to our previous conversation.
I think a couple of few episodes ago where we talked about food adulteration. Right. Right. Can you imagine you being completely repulsed about eating lab grown meat just to find out that you've been eating lab grown meat? Well, it's by choice. That's one thing. Like when I went to Peru, they eat alpaca.
And so it's on the menu. They also eat, don't they eat guinea pigs too? Yeah, it's the menu. So it's like I ate alpaca while I was there. Cause I was curious. Yeah. They have friends that have alpacas, I'm sure they'd be devastated. But again, I was curious and it's something, it's just, it's cultural. That's what they do.
So it was actually very, very good. People in the States would be appalled. Now, I made that my choice. I don't want to find out that I'm eating it if I don't know that I'm eating it. Some cultures they may eat dog. It's cultural. They choose to eat that. I don't want to partake in that. I just don't, I don't want to do that.
And I don't want to unknowingly do that. I would be so upset. So I can't, I just, I can't imagine. Anyway, back to what these 10 are. Okay. So give us some context on this top 10 list. Is it food safety? Is it food adulteration? Is it just the biggest scandals? Outbreaks. So biggest food safety outbreak scandals.
They could be outbreaks. So they are number one. I'm shocked at this list. Really? U. S. Bluebell Creamery. 2015 was number one. Really? Yeah. That was number one caused by contaminated ice cream manufactured by Bluebell Creameries, a popular ice cream company based in Texas. Yep. With Listeria. Listeria monocytogenes, that was number one.
Number two in 2006, spinach. Yep. So that was the one where I was chucking 2006. Yes. I remember that outbreak very well. That was insane. I remember that as well. There were people near where I live were getting sick, meaning that's the sold in the area where I live and people were getting sick. I was traveling a lot then and I would keep bad spinach in my refrigerator.
There's two different thoughts on mixed greens. Do you wash it? Don't wash it. Yeah. Some people believe that if you wash it, you run the risk of additional contamination. Some people think that you should always wash it because they may not have washed it when it was processed. I did not believe that it was necessary to rewash it because it could cause further contamination at that point.
I did a lot of traveling. I would get home late. And it was not uncommon for me to pull the spinach out of my refrigerator, throw it in a bowl at 2 o'clock in the morning, dump some salad dressing on it, and eat it. I was really worried, because I was buying it from a store that was selling it, and I was not washing it.
I can remember being really concerned about that, because somebody that lived not far from me. It got really sick from eating that spinach. Yeah, that was crazy. That changed a lot for the food safety. It was shortly thereafter that the Walmart letter went out about SQF audits or GFSI in general. GFSI came from this at Primus.
I was starting this company called Azul around that time. The data management company, like we were working on a project for a massive food service company. And they were like, no, we don't need to do lettuces because the facility, the processing facility gets rid of everything. So we're only going to have companies that don't have their processing facility.
The lettuce doesn't go through the processing facility. This goes back to that myth. I was talking about last episode where I said, it doesn't matter. Nothing can 100 percent get rid of Of the food, more pathogen if it's on the product, like a processing plant cannot do that unless there's some sort of five log reduction at the end of it.
And in fresh produce, there are some methods of doing it, but they are so costly and so minute that they're not across the market yet. So within the next decade, do I think that there's a possibility we could get to a five log reduction in fresh produce? Yes, today, cross the board ubiquitously, so, and back then in 2006, definitely that was not the case.
Then after that, the retailers and food service companies were like, wait, this is bad. I didn't realize how bad this could be. These facilities cannot really get rid of everything. And that changed the ball. And really before this, there still was multi state fresh produce going across the states. Thank you very much.
But now with like technology, now the shelf life was really getting good. And so you had these multi state outbreaks were really starting up around that early two thousands and it changed everything and it was huge. It changed my whole entire career. It made me at that point in time, I was only a couple years into this.
I graduated college in 2004 before 2006. It was a job. It was my career. It was a job. After 2006, it became my passion. That outbreak right there changed everything for me. Sorry. Moment monologue. No, no. That isn't what that look is about. I don't wanna talk about it right now, but we need to talk about the expense and the cost of hypochlorous acid.
Cause it's super inexpensive. I don't want to talk about that right now. You Jack in the box, 1993. Yep. It's almost, I feel like they should make a book and a documentary about that. They did the book poisoned and then the documentary documentary from the, from the book. Well, Netflix probably banked a lot of money on that.
They have to change the title because they created poisons to be this shit. But they should do a documentary just on the book Poisoned walking through step by step like the book does and that would be very helpful for the industry. Anybody in food safety, read Poisoned. It's step by step criminal like type of novel, like show of step by step the whole entire, from the outbreak to the lawsuit, everything all the way across.
We have discussed. How great it would be to do different documentaries on how some of this stuff occurs. Yes. We need to grow our staff past Melissa though. You didn't say something like Melissa's not yours. Shocks me because I'm going to be honest. I don't remember this. And probably because it was overshadowed by Jack in the box.
McDonald's had also had an outbreak that was pretty tremendous in 1993. Really? I don't remember this either. Why we were busting on Jack in the Box all the time. Why are we not talking about McDonald's outbreak in 1993? 700 people in the United States, primarily the Midwest, contaminated burgers. Yes. Yes.
Four deaths, hundreds of hospitalizations. Why are we not writing and talking about this? But we're beating up on Jack in the Box all the time. All the time. Not even not talking about this Francine. I didn't even know this. I had to have heard about this. Is it E. coli too? Yeah, same thing. Bacteria Mastrichia coli 0157H7, which is found in several samples of ground beef patties served by McDonald's restaurants and is believed to have originated from the meat packaging facilities that supplied the beef to McDonald's.
Faced several financial consequences from the outbreak and was sued by hundreds of people who had been affected by the outbreak. Why are we not talking about this? Oh my gosh. So get this. Not only do we not talk about it, Google's AI just jacked this story up. I'm going to read to you exactly what Google's AI says about this and tell me how insane this is, Francine.
Okay. I typed in McDonald's E. coli. 1993. It says in 1993, there was a multi state E. coli outbreak that affected restaurants across the United States, including McDonald's. The outbreak was caused by bacteria E. coli 015787, which was found in contaminated hamburgers sold across the United States. A restaurant chain.
The outbreak killed four children, including 16 month old Riley Detweiler of Bellingham, Washington, who died February 20th, 1993. Detweiler died from secondary contract transmission from another child who had been sick with E. coli at the daycare. This outbreak is so unknown that Google's AI combined the Jack in a Box and the McDonald's one together.
Oh my god, we have to do a whole episode just on McDonald's outbreak. If this is a thing, is it possible? Maybe. Is Jack in the Box's facility? But only Jack in the Box took the media hit because remember, I've said in the past, this would have been much larger had it happened today because the supply chain would have fed more restaurants, right?
Yeah. I've said that many times. Did it feed more restaurants? But we only ever hear about Chipotle. Okay, this has to be a whole other episode just on this. Not Chipotle, Jack in the Box. Wow. How many restaurants did that? Okay, I put a pin in this Francine. Wow. First off, wow. Second off, we got to do a whole episode on this.
Well, we need to research it. We have, because yeah, obviously we haven't researched it. And neither has Google's AI, unless it is from the same supplier. But we need to know more. Wow, this is fascinating. Yeah. Absolutely. Sometimes we do episodes that then turn into four other episodes. I feel like this is one of them.
So we have mental health, McDonald's 1993 outbreak. This is good. We should write this down. So we don't forget. Okay. Chipotle 2015. Yeah. Yeah, that was a hot mess. That was unprecedented number of outbreaks in one year. My God, it was a mess. I was writing a lot of articles that particular year. It got to the point that I had to say no more articles about Chipotle because I, they're going to think I'm beating them up.
And it's just all anybody wanted. Just like every time I turned around, I was writing an article about Chipotle. Yeah, Port Chipotle. It was like a series of cascading events as well. It wasn't like it was one and done. It was a whole lot. They weren't even all the same foodborne illness for God's sake.
Nope. One thing right after another the moral virus E. coli. It was just like and it just wouldn't stop every time you turned on the news Portland was making more people sick and it was like good lord. When's it gonna stop? Yeah, and from founder CEO ended up losing I don't know he resigned bound know if he was like forced to resign or he did it out of choice But yeah, he was gone then they moved to From Denver to la, the whole entire corporation.
Well, they Taco Bell's, CEO to take over and then they moved to LA after that. Yeah, part mistake. They let that. The first one, the first CEO go on the today show. Did you remember the today show interview? That was horrendous. PR person to do that. They should not have let him go on it today. I was just like, dear God, what are you doing?
Yeah, it was actually a fantastic lesson of what not to do. Anybody who has to do a crisis management within your corporation, go watch that interview and take notes of what not to do. It was cringing. I was getting ready for work and I remember watching that on the TV. The bedroom was right outside our bathroom, and it was like, I was just cringing as I was watching that interview.
It was awful. That was Chipotle, Japan. This is number six. So the top five were all United States, Japan, norovirus Outbreak 2008. This affected 12,000 people across multiple perfectors in Japan. I'm right, you did you say 12,000 people with Neurovirus? First off, that is a lot of explosive diarrhea and throw up.
And they do public transportation! They take to everywhere! They cram those things in! What a mess! I'm thinking, dear god, I hope they weren't all in line for a public restroom. White and pristine. It's brown now. They probably take a pressure washer to their tramp. Oh my god, we would. See, that isn't what I meant to say.
It was contaminated for all oysters. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So the neurovirus started by contamination of raw oysters in several different restaurants in the country got sick from raw oysters or was there cross contamination then from the raw oysters officials trace the outbreak to several different sources of raw oysters, including those harvested in the.
region of Japan, several ramifications for the country's food industry and led to increased scrutiny of food safety practices and regulations in response to the outbreak. The Japanese government implemented a number of measures to improve food safety, including new regulations on the handling and processing raw oysters as well as increased monitoring and testing of food products.
What year was this? And eight. Why? I can't. 12, 000 people. Noirovirus, which causes explosive diarrhea and vomiting. Those are the two major symptoms of Noirovirus, which is why we're Why we're acting like sixth grade boys. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I mean, there was a time when I spent every day of my life talking about explosive diarrhea and projectile vomiting.
It's what I did for a living. And people would be like, I don't want to offend you. So I don't want to, I'm like, look, I spend my days talking about vomiting and diarrhea. You're not going to offend me.
So. Wow. Well, that was wow. Good list, Francine. But so far that was six, right? Yeah. Number seven. Wow. States, you know, this one very well, too. You're very familiar with this one. The U S cantaloupe outbreak of 2011. Yeah. That was also a career altering outbreak for me. Affected dozens of people across multiple us States and was caused by contaminated cantaloupes, which were grown at a farm in Colorado.
It began in July of 2011 with reports of listeriosis. From people who had consumed cantaloupes. The number of reported cases quickly escalated, and by the end of the outbreak, there were 147 confirmed cases in 28 states, resulting in 33 deaths. You do not think about eating cantaloupe and dying. You just don't.
Yeah. And that goes back to our multiple conversations about listerosis. It takes a lot. To get listerosis, you have to consume a lot of listeria. The average person, if you're not immunocompromised, takes a lot, because listeria is ubiquitous. It's all around. In fact, some states allow a certain amount of listeria on the product.
It's fine. United States does not. It's a zero tolerance. If you get cirrhosis, your 1 in 3. So 25 to 30 percent. It is bad. That outbreak was terrible. The other thing about listerosis is it could take up to six weeks to show signs of an illness. So you ate a cantaloupe six weeks ago and then you get sick six weeks later.
Do you remember eating that cantaloupe six weeks ago? Oh, but here's the other thing too. And this is why that outbreak was so terrible. It started getting up on the news about people eating cantaloupe and getting sick because they had figured this out. Then they were talking in the news how the incubation period could take six weeks to do this.
People had eaten cantaloupe two weeks ago. They were freaking out that in four weeks they may show signs of listerosis and die. So, it just freaked out the nation. I remember going to, there's a few places in the United States that grow a lot of cantaloupe. One of them is Brawley, California. I remember going to Brawley, California.
They were disking thousands and thousands of acres of cantaloupes. They were like burning effigies of my company at the time. I was sent to go tell the industry that everything was going to ultimately be okay, and they did not want to hear like, it was bad. Yeah. And again, after that outbreak, like, completely changed my career.
It was another one of those, like, career altering. Okay. This is I'm in it. This is I'm passionate about this. 100 percent I want to go in and do this on my own and I'd never want to have a company that I'm associated with that has an outbreak again. And luckily that was the case. Yeah, I remember that very well as well.
What year was that? 2011. That was the year before I started my own company. I got my LLC in 2008, but I was working as an independent contractor for another brand. In 2012, I officially was on my own, not working under another umbrella. They gotten bad advice, but they got advice and they didn't understand how to fulfill it correctly.
They went and they bought an old potato washing thing to provide better quality for their cantaloupe. They didn't do environmental testing. And this is back in 2011. There were companies that were doing environmental testing, but most fresh produce companies that weren't doing GFSI audits that were telling everybody they had to do environmental testing, they weren't doing environmental testing.
So because potatoes are grown in the soil and listeria is in the soil, there were a lot of different types of listeria in this piece of equipment, and they didn't sanitize it appropriately. They didn't run sanitization through it multiple times. They didn't check to see if there was any type of bacteria in this.
And so they were just spreading bacteria, this listeria, tons and tons of listeria throughout every cantaloupe that they did. So it was bad and it was, they actually got like ankle bracelets. They didn't go to jail, but I think they were got house arrest. It ruined their lives, 100 percent ruined their lives.
And they just didn't know they were just ignorant to it. It was not malicious in any way, shape or form, but it's one of those where if you're in food, You have to understand that you could kill people with your product. Yeah. It's sad. Yeah. It's a shame. They have to ultimately be responsible for everything that does and does not happen when you own the company, regardless of what it is.
So they are responsible, but it's under the circumstances, which will happen. I think I am actually familiar with this, the China milk scandal. Number nine, 3, 000 babies in China were affected by the China milk scandal caused by milk and infant formula contaminated with melamine. They're trying to increase the protein count without actually adding protein.
The chemical commonly used in the production of plastics, fertilizers, and other industrial products. The scandal began in late 2007 when reports started to emerge about babies and young children becoming ill after consuming melamine contaminated milk. An investigation revealed that the contamination was due to the practice of adding melamine to milk and infant formula products by some dairy farmers.
Producers in order to increase the protein content and make products appear to be of higher quality. Yeah, it was food adulteration in a way that killed people. They did the same thing with pet food. So it's probably just humans, but a bunch of pets died because of Melanie also added to pet food. So when you're marketing and selling stuff like baby formula, pet food, stuff like that, protein is a big part of that.
And so instead of actually trying to increase protein counts, feeding the cattle or whatever, the cows, the appropriate stuff to increase protein count. They just added melanin to it, which shows up chemically as protein, even though it's not protein. Oh, very sad. Yeah. No regard for human life. No regard for human life.
It's very scary. Okay. Number 10, Germany, E. coli outbreak, 2011. This outbreak affected thousands of people across Europe, with the majority of cases reported in Germany. Is this the cucumber one? Caused by a strain of E. coli known as E. coli or H4 and resulted in 4, 000 cases and 50 deaths. Public health officials initially Outbreak cucumbers imported from Spain.
Further testing revealed that the source of the outbreak was actually Sprouted seeds, which were commonly used in salads and sandwiches. In response to the outbreak, Germany's government implemented a number of measures to improve food safety for sprouted seeds and other fresh produce, including new regulations on the handling and processing of these products, as well as increased monitoring and testing of food products.
While some of these outbreaks affected a relatively small number of people, they still resulted in serious health consequences. That's widespread outrage qualifying some of the worst food safety scandals in recent history. It's essential for food companies to take food safety measures seriously to prevent any kind of contamination and ensure health and safety to their consumers.
Yeah, and it goes to show the power of the first thing that you hear. So I remember that outbreak being huge and I remember them thinking that it was Cucumbers from Spain had forgotten that it was actually sprout seed. It's just amazing how the brain works where first link of product to the outbreak is what you remember.
Do you remember they thought it was salmonella and tomatoes, and now they really think it was jalapenos, but they knew it was linked to salsa, this outbreak in the United States, and they thought it was tomatoes. When really they figured out later was most likely jalapenos from Mexico, but everybody remembered it was tomatoes because that was the first thing and it shut down the tomato market in the United States.
Oh, I remember the tomato association in the United States. I think it was Florida in particular was trying to sue the FDA. It was crazy. It's something I talk about a lot. When a brand gets a contaminated product, regardless of the brand, it doesn't matter who it is. They rarely remember the product, but they remember the brand that made them sick.
Often times they don't remember the product that made the people sick, but they do remember the brand that made them sick. So, it's similar, it's the same type of thing. I have to laugh. At the bottom of this article it says, if you want your company to be featured on, it's xtalks. com, please email. After this list, I don't know the name, but once you're bashing 10 companies, do you want to be featured next?
Maybe it's a paid, it's like extortion. If you pay us, we won't feature you in the next. You know, the 10 worst of anything. No, Wow. You should just want to attend more podcasts going over the list. That was a joke. Okay. So Mr. Matthew, what do you have? So we're going to keep running with the myths for a little bit.
We started off just doing food safety myths in the beginning. Then we moved over to TikTok stuff. And now we're going back to food safety myths for a bit. So here is a myth that I'm curious if since you on the restaurant industry myth, you shouldn't put hot foods in the refrigerator. So it depends. Hmm.
Yes. Who tell? It depends. I like to tell people that you shouldn't put anything over 70 degrees in the refrigerator, is what we always told people, but in fact it depends on a few things. It depends on the size of the refrigerator that you're going to put the product in, first of all, because if it's a really tiny refrigerator and you put this product in there, Possibility that it could warm up things above it or beside it.
If it's a really tiny refrigerator and you put something really hot in there and there's something sitting right above it or right beside it, there's a tendency and they should not do this to put like pasta and rice that are hot in larger containers than they should. In the refrigerator, and they've not chilled them before they put them in there.
So, the core stays very hot and the outside cools down quicker, and we've got a serious situation when that happens because it doesn't pull down fast enough and that creates an issue. So, in that case, no, those hot items should not be put in the refrigerator. However, if you're eating at home, and you want to put your hot food in the refrigerator right after dinner's over.
Or you're putting a hotter items in. It's not going to hurt anything. You can go ahead and do that very good. Yes. So this little blip says hot foods can be placed in refrigerator. Large amounts of food should be did in smaller portions and put into shallow containers for quicker cooling in the fridgerator.
Perishable foods should be put into a refrigerator that is 40 degrees or below within 2 hours of preparation. Here's where I think people forget is they think, Oh, I can't put hot food in there, so I'm gonna put it to room temperature. But then what happens is they leave it out too long. And so if you leave food out to cool, and forget about it two hours later, throw it away.
Bacteria can rapidly grow on food left out at room temperature for more than two hours. If food is left outdoors where the temperature is 90 degrees or hotter, food should be refrigerated or discarded within one hour. So if you go to a potluck and you are one of those people who show up late, don't eat the food from people who showed up early?
Yeah. People also think that mayonnaise is a lot more dangerous than it is. Like there's a lot of preservatives in mayonnaise. Yeah. Unless it's homemade. I don't know a lot of people making their own mayonnaise these days. So mayonnaise isn't as dangerous as what people think it is because there's vinegar in there and there's a lot of preservatives in mayonnaise.
So mayonnaise is not the first thing to go bad, but yes, everything that you said, I agree. Awesome. I like doing the myths where you're like the expert in because you can give like Way more different analogies to the myth as well. I, so we usually end with don't eat poop, but I guess don't eat raw oysters in Japan in 2008, because that was a mess.
12, 000 people with norovirus. So wait, there was just a cookie dough recall. Yeah, it was. Do you know that they now make. Edible raw cookie dough? Yes, I do. Did not know that until I just did some research for an article that I wrote. Or actually it was an interview. Edible raw cookie dough. It's made with preheat treated flour and they either don't put the eggs in it or they use pasteurized eggs.
I didn't know that was the thing. Yeah, it's a thing. I've had it before. It's pretty good. I love raw cookie dough. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. With that note, don't eat poop.
